delmud/seliph and/or Camilla/Beruka?

For Diarmuid/Seliph the opportunity is definitely there, and I’m not really invested in any of Seliph’s het options or Seliph in general. No idea if there’d be any chemistry, but they and Ulster probably shared sleeping quarters at some point and discreetly watched each other jerk off at the very least.

Camilla/Beruka is about as screwed up as Leo/Niles, but I get the impression that they’re on something closer to equal footing as well as better equipped emotionally to handle the craziness. Slightly. 

I’ve never heard of people disliking the way Tellius handles racism. I just thought it was one of those things people just registered as part of the setting. Do you know anywhere I could go for further reading into that besides just saying “I dunno, somewhere on SF”?

damoselcastel:

gascon-en-exil:

I’ve yet to come across a comprehensive essay or anything like that. It’s more a sentiment one gleans from interacting with various fans here and on SF and probably other places I don’t know as well (Reddit?). In summary:

  • Even though race relations are a defining element of the setting there’s not all that much new or interesting done with it. There are Very Special Moments with characters like Ike and Jill, and all of the avowed racists twirl their mustaches and cackle. Shinon gets to be a playable racist who never learns, but he’s also an all-around asshole and implied alcoholic without a tragic backstory excuse like Soren’s got. RD gets a little better with this – Micaiah’s relationship to racism is more complicated than that, certainly – but that game also drops the ball with other characters like the newly-a-joke Oliver (who still wants to molest herons, except it’s funny now and we’re not talking about slavery) and, well…
  • Lategame RD includes the message that racism is bad but also that interracial sex, or at least procreative interracial sex, is so bad that it merits divine retribution. Not only does this utterly screw over one of the central motifs of the duology it also makes no logical sense; Yune isn’t even aware that the Branded exist before Stefan tells her, so who’s doing the punishing and why?
  • I didn’t pick up on it until I’d played other games that deal with this theme directly, but the Branded are just characters with holy blood like in Jugdral and all of the 3DS games, characters that in all of those settings are almost always nobility or royalty venerated in-universe for their superhuman abilities and skill with certain weapons.It’s an awkward subversion, to say the least, even for the Japanese audience who’d have probably picked up that association from the start. (I will say however that I personally enjoy one element of this, er, twist: instead of Brand bearers receiving their special powers and status from some kind of magical pact with dragons, some of them apparently just got it by kinky interracial sex. Isn’t that just the FE way?)
  • Also, some real world racism in the form of Devdan/Danved, who’s a straight-up caricature of a black man. He’s evidently worse in the Japanese version – ask Amielleon for details. Eesh.

I think that about covers it. Let me know if I’m leaving anything out.

#there’s also a HUGE double standard that gets thrown into true abyss and that was mentioned halfway through PoR#i mean it gets brought up and then no one talks about it ever again

@maligknights​ is this the plothole you mentioned?

Somehow I completely forgot about that weird little bit of information. It doesn’t help that the official timeline on SF doesn’t seem to indicate any period in which there was widespread persecution of beorc by laguz. I’d be interested to see what the Japanese version says here, knowing the the PoR localization takes liberties elsewhere. 

Because if they were seriously aiming for a feeling of mutual antagonism Tellius did it worse than Fates, if such a thing were even possible.

I’ve never heard of people disliking the way Tellius handles racism. I just thought it was one of those things people just registered as part of the setting. Do you know anywhere I could go for further reading into that besides just saying “I dunno, somewhere on SF”?

I’ve yet to come across a comprehensive essay or anything like that. It’s more a sentiment one gleans from interacting with various fans here and on SF and probably other places I don’t know as well (Reddit?). In summary:

  • Even though race relations are a defining element of the setting there’s not all that much new or interesting done with it. There are Very Special Moments with characters like Ike and Jill, and all of the avowed racists twirl their mustaches and cackle. Shinon gets to be a playable racist who never learns, but he’s also an all-around asshole and implied alcoholic without a tragic backstory excuse like Soren’s got. RD gets a little better with this – Micaiah’s relationship to racism is more complicated than that, certainly – but that game also drops the ball with other characters like the newly-a-joke Oliver (who still wants to molest herons, except it’s funny now and we’re not talking about slavery) and, well…
  • Lategame RD includes the message that racism is bad but also that interracial sex, or at least procreative interracial sex, is so bad that it merits divine retribution. Not only does this utterly screw over one of the central motifs of the duology it also makes no logical sense; Yune isn’t even aware that the Branded exist before Stefan tells her, so who’s doing the punishing and why?
  • I didn’t pick up on it until I’d played other games that deal with this theme directly, but the Branded are just characters with holy blood like in Jugdral and all of the 3DS games, characters that in all of those settings are almost always nobility or royalty venerated in-universe for their superhuman abilities and skill with certain weapons.It’s an awkward subversion, to say the least, even for the Japanese audience who’d have probably picked up that association from the start. (I will say however that I personally enjoy one element of this, er, twist: instead of Brand bearers receiving their special powers and status from some kind of magical pact with dragons, some of them apparently just got it by kinky interracial sex. Isn’t that just the FE way?)
  • Also, some real world racism in the form of Devdan/Danved, who’s a straight-up caricature of a black man. He’s evidently worse in the Japanese version – ask Amielleon for details. Eesh.

I think that about covers it. Let me know if I’m leaving anything out.

I wouldn’t think Mark_asphodel would even care, given how loudly she’s voiced her dispassion towards Tellius, its furries, and its “cannibalization” of story elements and plot structure from FE5.

It took me a moment to figure out that you’re referring to that post on Oliver, and I have to disagree with you. I don’t want to speak for her here, but I do know that aside from the laguz and how the setting deals with racism (which is extremely sloppy at points, as even its fans will agree) there’s a fair bit that she does like about Tellius including all the homages to Jugdral. It’s not as though any of the FE settings exist in a vacuum, not even wherever the hell Fates is supposed to be.

markoftheasphodel:

Y’know, I appreciate that Oliver is a recruitable character because having someone that Not Good becoming playable adds an interesting and welcome dimension to the morality of Fire Emblem.

But g-damn I don’t like him THAT much.

I’m not really sure how to feel about playable Oliver. In the game where he’s not playable (except as a bonus unit for trial maps you’d never use because bishops are abysmal in PoR and his stats are even worse somehow) he’s a straight villain with zero redeeming features and very little comedic value. In the sequel though everything from his politics to his desire to molest herons to even his theme music gets redone with significantly more whimsy, to the point that he’s pure comic relief and is weirdly sympathetic by virtue of being certifiably insane…or something. His recruitment can’t really comment on his morality or lack thereof because in RD his morality lacks any kind of rational basis. As terrible an idea as most of the Spotpass characters being playable was, Awakening of all games does more for interesting and logical villain redemption by recruitment. 

Ok, this show temporarily redeemed itself. The very next episode finally gives Blaine some much-needed characterization, and it comes in the form of him breaking up and then reigniting his freaky sexual relationship with his brother is who also Matt Bomer. There’s nothing like surprise gay incest to make everything better.