VincentASM wrote a feature on SF on the FE fandom’s numbering system for the games to commemorate the series’s anniversary. It’s…surprisingly thought-provoking? I can’t even remember when I was first introduced to the numbering system, or how readily I accepted that Blazing Sword (or just Fire Emblem, as far as I initially knew) was casually referred to online as the seventh in a line of previously Japanese-only games. The situation is more complicated now with all these spinoffs we’ve collectively decided not to number – and the remakes that we do number – so I have no idea how difficult the numbering system is to pick up for new fans.

jakathine said

you’re definitely asking a lot of questions i’ve been wondering too. and yeah, voltron’s pedo thing is so bad i was going to get ‘involved more’ with fandom and quickly backed off cause so many of this people 16 and under were doing this (plus im an 18+ person anyways) and i certainly didnt wanna be involved. i feel u on the BNF of sherlock (got involved w/that at one point) but yeah. it’s rly weird this puritanical viewpoint where everything MUST be ‘unproblematic’

Indeed. It was already kind of a long shot that I’d ever get involved in VLD. I was mostly watching it as a follow-up to The Legend of Korra since it’s much of the same creative team. The basic premise does not appeal to me at all, even though it’s soft enough sci-fi that I can at least consume the media and be entertained even if I don’t have the desire to do much else (not unlike Star Wars, which coincidentally also has a nightmarish fandom that liberally applies social justice rhetoric in the name of ship wars). For whatever it’s worth I think that Sheith has the most interesting dynamic, even if I’m still not as invested as I was with Wuko in LoK, and Klance is strangely light on shippy moments given how large a following it has which might explain how age discourse and the cries of pedo/incest obsession got so big. I don’t see myself ever doing a post series on Sheith, put it that way – not that I think any of the major VLD ships can possibly be lacking for meta.

scribblesteph:

semituring:

meganphntmgrl:

spontaneous-purple-giraffe:

fakefurby:

hottest take

Would someone please tell me which war crimes she committed? I don’t think anyone has ever mentioned them to me before and I’d really like to know.

Oh, that’s what makes this a TRULY piping hot take. It’s that she, as commander, placed a civilian into combat, which is classified as a war crime because of press ganging and child soldiers, along with the whole general thing about exposing civilians to harm. Like, yeah, generally speaking, inflicting that on someone is a war crime.

The trouble is, the civilian she placed in combat? Herself.

This guy (and Human Pet Guy) are calling her a war criminal because they’re doing mental somersaults to consider her both a commander and a civilian. At the same time.

Yeah.

so we’re just stealing our discourse from fifteenth century france huh

This blog is pro-Joan of Arc and any antis will be promptly blocked

Hey I was reading your FE Lords Ranking (very interesting btw). I never played Fates so I got a bit confused: is the Nohr siblings being abused a headcanon then? I mean, everyone just throws it around everywhere when talking about them I thought it was canon.

damoselcastel:

gascon-en-exil:

I haven’t played Fates in over a year so I wouldn’t be able to easily look for quotes, but essentially it’s a reasonable extrapolation based on how they behave and what they say about their earlier lives in supports. The three eldest (plus Azura) all have memories of the concubine wars, in which Garon’s various concubines and their children violently competed for favor in the court and even killed each other off. It’s implied if not outright stated that Garon had other children, and the ones in-game are just the only survivors of those wars. All of them have also been subjected to the harsh behavior of slime!Garon, who’s been impersonating their father for so long that Elise apparently has no memories of the real man. Corrin bears the brunt of this that we actually see, being kidnapped and locked away from the rest of the world until they’re allowed a chance to join their siblings in a trial by fire. It’s clear though from how the rest of them act that they’re used to harsh disciplinary measures. (Conversely, Xander is the only one old enough to have clear memories of the real Garon, which helps explain why he’s the most determined to support the king on all three routes and comes off as a bit stupid willfully blind.)

Like I said though, I haven’t played Fates in a long time so if anyone else wants to add anymore specifics feel free.

Nohr sib behavior as children used to surviving abuse: during the prologue how Leo bails Corrin out via flagrant deceit, in Conquest during the razing of Cheve Camilla warns Corrin defying Garon would cost their lives, the Elise/Harold support revealing that her oldest brother is more of a father figure than her actual father is, these speculations over the situation of Chapter 3 where Marx has been called upon to act as executioner before have merit. In a DLC Marx admits as a child his greatest fear was to be caught by his father late at night while out of bed, and this had to be before Gooran…the implications are bad.

If you don’t mind, I can provide the context and answer for the
Concubine Wars. So this, like the difference between concubine and mistress, is another of the details that Treehouse decided to scrub out of the English localization of FE14.

The CW is something mentioned overtly in the Leo(n)/Elise supports. As far as localization goes, this change was made

English B rank:
Leo:
There were so many vying for his favor that they frequently turned to
violence. Some even turned on members of their own family.

Elise:
What?! How could someone do that to their own family?

Leo:
I suppose they lost all sense of self-control in their effort to rise in
position. I agree, it certainly does not speak well of their character.

Japanese B rank:
Leon: But because of that, the women Father
favoured had violent quarrels. I heard stories about the children of
concubines on bad terms killing each other.
Elise: That’s….! Even though they were siblings?!

Leon: Well, it can’t be helped. To raise their own status, there were a lot of concubines who used their own children.

Within the game itself this tidbit dovetails well with the implications that there’s people Marx had regretted killing to the point of suicide, in addition to how/why Camilla could consider killing someone you love a mercy. The Jp!script Marx/Nyx support give us some key lines hinting to his involvement and feelings regarding the above-

Nyx:
You don’t really want to kill people. But, while fighting, you have no
choice but to take the lives of your enemies. It seems like you’re
suffering between those opposing demands.
[….]
Nyx: I didn’t run
away and kept living in order to atone for what I’d done… but in the
end, all I could do was kill on the battlefield…. It was unbearable. To
atone by killing more people, would that really be helpful….
Marx: …… Perhaps we really are alike, Nyx.

In Japanese-only extra canon material the drama CD gives us confirmation of more Nohr sibs:

Marx: Lazward,
how many princes and princesses do you think once existed?
Lazward:
…huh?
Marx:
Father had
many mistresses. So long ago I had many siblings, but all there is left is
those that stand here today. There are those that fell in battle, those that
were executed, those that were taken by Hoshido, those that got involved in
struggles between mistresses and murdered one another.
Lazward:
…no way…
Marx:
….being unable
to protect them, I regretted it many times…

A lot of Eng!FE fans
were aware of these dead royal kids and the Concubine Wars through the
shared consciousness of the internet, so Treehouse’s removal of it just
comes off as even stranger. Personally the Nohr kids sucky childhood
makes tons of sense within the historical examples of Harem politics.

tellius-collections said

I feel like the availability issue for characters that make some characters tricky to use (like Tormod and Fiona) would be better too if Tellius was three games and not two.

True, although I haven’t begun to imagine how complicated the logistics of having three Tellius games would have been, especially if they all made use of transfer data. It reminds me of how the two Oracle Legend of Zelda games were originally envisioned as a trio before the developers realized how much of a pain three-way data transfer would be.

To be fair I enjoy FE10′s unique take on availability, as there’s nothing like it anywhere else in the series and it adds an extra element to consider when drafting teams for playthroughs. It helps that several of the characters who are hard to use, including those you mentioned, are worthwhile investments for endgame at least on Easy – which is what I usually play anyway.

Hey I was reading your FE Lords Ranking (very interesting btw). I never played Fates so I got a bit confused: is the Nohr siblings being abused a headcanon then? I mean, everyone just throws it around everywhere when talking about them I thought it was canon.

I haven’t played Fates in over a year so I wouldn’t be able to easily look for quotes, but essentially it’s a reasonable extrapolation based on how they behave and what they say about their earlier lives in supports. The three eldest (plus Azura) all have memories of the concubine wars, in which Garon’s various concubines and their children violently competed for favor in the court and even killed each other off. It’s implied if not outright stated that Garon had other children, and the ones in-game are just the only survivors of those wars. All of them have also been subjected to the harsh behavior of slime!Garon, who’s been impersonating their father for so long that Elise apparently has no memories of the real man. Corrin bears the brunt of this that we actually see, being kidnapped and locked away from the rest of the world until they’re allowed a chance to join their siblings in a trial by fire. It’s clear though from how the rest of them act that they’re used to harsh disciplinary measures. (Conversely, Xander is the only one old enough to have clear memories of the real Garon, which helps explain why he’s the most determined to support the king on all three routes and comes off as a bit stupid willfully blind.)

Like I said though, I haven’t played Fates in a long time so if anyone else wants to add anymore specifics feel free.

I need to talk for a bit about fandom.

I was browsing through some of the tags for ships I follow but with which I do not actively engage when a question occurred to me: when did fandom spaces become so puritanical? The first fandom in which I noted the flagrant and widespread misuse of the term “pedophilia” was Voltron, maybe a little over a year ago, and while I’m aware that a phenomenon in one megafandom can indeed spread outward to show up in others (as happened with omegaverse AUs and Supernatural, or so I’ve read), this type of draconian – and often factually incorrect – moralizing and the corresponding culture of self-censorship and quick blocking have become so prevalent that it’s hard to imagine it beginning from a single source. I suppose I should be thankful that my current primary fandom has enough incest and other sketchy sexual stuff going on in its canon to largely ward off the “anti” culture.

Of course I’ve been in fandom spaces long enough to have a healthy degree of skepticism. For the first half year or so that I was on Tumblr I was involved in the Les Mis fandom during one of its revivals, the closest I’ve ever come to participating in a megafandom apart from some brief interactions with a BNF(?) in the Sherlock fandom. During that time I was on the periphery of a growing ship war between one M/M pairing and one M/F pairing, with some of the participants resorting to cries of misogyny over the former and queer erasure over the latter. Rather pointless given what these characters’ relationships (or lack thereof) are in canon, but nonetheless it was a quick education in how fans could appropriate the language of social justice for the sake of gaining some kind of moral high ground in ship wars – more progressive rhetoric than that of my earliest online fan culture days in the Harry Potter fandom in its heyday, but just about as prone to being disingenuous. Which, fine, use whatever tactics you see fit if it makes you feels like you’re winning an argument with little to no real stakes; amoral as I am I’ve little right to complain.

I can’t say that I’ve ever felt individually and directly attacked in fandom spaces. I’ve had a laugh or two over anons on other sites accusing my blog of being pretentious, or the culture from which I come and for which I occasionally speak of being unrelatable, or me of being misogynistic

– apparently because I’ve been known to side-eye some portrayals of M/M sex and relationships produced by women – and getting a pass for it because I’m a cis gay man, but no substantive and credible attacks have ever been actually directed at me. I therefore feel a little like I just ought to roll my eyes and move on whenever I see someone confusing ephebophilia with pedophilia (or even more ludicrous, age gaps between legal adults with pedophilia), expressing sweeping generalizations about what is and is not a healthy relationship because of X dynamic, or quibbling pointlessly over who does and doesn’t belong in the queer community or, indeed, if the word “queer” is even appropriate or if it should be discarded as a slur. Hell, I’m turning 30 later this year and have spent the last four years in something that could be called a mutually exploitative relationship with a man in his mid 60s, while unbeknownst to him taking other sexual partners on the side according to my pleasure and practical needs. I am unapologetically problematic in all manner of ways, and I’d like to think that that’s kept me from having to deal with personal attacks on something as comparatively trivial as my shipping preferences.

But the moralizing….It’s hard to fathom that so much of the prudish vitriol spewing from fandom spaces these days is coming from people younger than me. Even if I can believe that a fair number of these people do not actually care about the causes they claim to support so long as they can appear to be in the right, does this mean that we’re going to have to look forward to even more of this in the future? I’m accustomed to pushing back against the opinions of the fanatical Protestants that persist on the edges of New Orleans society, spiritual descendants of the Puritans themselves whose conservatism especially with regards to anything involving sex is entirely expected and is for them practically a cultural mandate. But on Tumblr, an allegedly progressive online space frequently concerned with men (and less often women) fucking each other in various configurations that seems to eschew all theology-based morality and that of Christianity in particular? Where is it coming from, and why would anyone want to introduce such a thing in defiance of what ought to be an inclusive and welcoming atmosphere for fan content and community? It’s certainly not helping any ship arguments as far as I’m concerned, as I’ll take textual analysis and my personal sexual and romantic preferences over shipping something because the alternative is “problematic” any day. Unusual and unconventional dynamics make for better stories and better fan content in general, which now that I think of it was a big reason why slash became so disproportionately popular in online fandoms to begin with. Fandom trends come and go, and this is one I’ll personally be happy to see go sooner rather than later…though I somewhat doubt it’ll come as quickly as I would like.

Ranking FE’s Lords

@paragonred asked for this, possibly as a follow-up to this ranking of the games themselves. I’ll use the same tier format so I don’t have to get so specific as to order everyone into a numbered list.

S Tier – interesting, narratively engaging, and (usually) fun to use

Micaiah – see this post.

Eliwood – ends up mediocre more than half the time, but he’s got a strong character arc with plenty of development and good moments even on Hector’s route. I very much like Eliwood/Hector as a traditional romantic friendship that could feasibly grow into something more between games depending on who they marry and what happens to their wives. Incidentally, I don’t have any very strong opinions on any of those ships, other than that Hector/Florina is rather nonsensical.

Celica – see this post

A Tier – fun unit and may have interesting character potential, but I’m less invested in exploring them

Ephraim – mostly up here because I like lances. His arc is similar to Hector’s with more urgency and the homoromanticism coming from different sources, but his contribution to that questionable legacy has largely been swallowed up by twincest. Or something like that anyway.

Hector – speaking of which, he’s a good unit apart from his promotion (both the class itself and the timing of it in his route) and as mentioned I ship him with Eliwood in a sense, but I don’t like the archetype he spawned. He also feels a bit superfluous to FE7′s main story, though not as much as Lyn does.

Lucina – will be incredibly broken unless you don’t pair Chrom or stick him with Sully. Severely under-served by her narrative despite being a uniquely tragic figure in an otherwise aggressively optimistic game, but she got a DLC campaign and a bunch of shilling outside the series proper so that sort of makes up for it?

Sigurd – the most OP lord ever. I like that he’s an idiot and that he faces real consequences for his mistakes, and I like how he looms large over Gen 2 in spite of his flaws. Even more so than with Hector, I don’t like how his fanbase sees his game performance and nothing else about him.

Alm – already a good unit in the original from what I understand, and he benefits considerably from the distinctive presentation elements of FE15. He certainly offers a more nuanced discussion of class than certain other lords. *ahem* It does suck a bit that it feels like some of his character beats have to compromise Celica’s to make them work, but that’s partially Gaiden’s fault too.

Leif – might move up if he’s relatably more of an impoverished aristocrat in the remakes, but then his particular circumstances don’t really speak to me the way that, say, Almedha’s do. I mostly hated using him in FE5 though he had his moments. Probably benefits from being surrounded by interesting people more than anyone else in this tier, but he really benefits there.

B Tier – either overwhelmingly average, or with both strong positive and strong negative aspects that balance each other out

Ike – yeah, you guys probably saw this one coming. On the one hand, he’s very likely gay; on the other, half the fandom still won’t shut up about the possibility that he might not be and/or that IS was wrong to do what they did with him. On the one hand, convention-defying peasant lord shaping his own destiny is interesting; on the other, he has terrible manners and a shameless insensitivity to foreign (beorc) cultures and yet we’re meant to be rooting for him. On the one hand, a strong unit who plays quite differently in his two games and so therefore doesn’t feel stale; on the other, he and his mercenaries edge out the light magic-wielding Micaiah and her army for screentime and EXP and it’s pretty obvious which unit type I prefer there. I can’t even get all that strongly into Ike/Soren for entirely personal reasons, but at least Ike/Ranulf is still there to pick up the slack.

Lyn – even though she’s the first lord with a same-sex paired ending that fact is largely forgotten. Much of her enduring popularity seems to be based on her sex appeal, and she’s irrelevant to Elibe as a whole. Still, her route is a nice little self-contained story that doesn’t feel too similar to anything else in FE, and she’s got a strong camaraderie with her fellow lords.

Corrin – it’s difficult to talk about Corrin as one entry since they develop differently depending on the route, but as with Fates as a whole I feel like the three iterations of the character average out somewhere just slightly below average. Birthright Corrin is a standard FE protagonist, except maybe a little angrier (Leif, Shadow Dragon Marth maybe?) and with entirely too many death scenes thrown at them. Conquest Corrin has the most missed potential, as with most things involving Conquest apart from gameplay, and one practically has to roll with the headcanon that they and the Nohr royals have been conditioned by years of abuse to make their characters sort of work. Revelation Corrin reminds me unpleasantly of Robin (see below) with the power of cross-cultural friendship stuff and the super special ending. I’m not too fond of the character as a unit either, since they take more work to get as flexibly broken as the other Avatars and their manakete form fails to impress except for tanking.

Seliph – saved from C Tier by the general messiness of Jugdral. His father’s legacy is a complicated one, and about 1/3rd of his campaign amounts to a blood feud with the aim of giving his first cousin a throne for somewhat dubious reasons. He takes some time to get as broken as SIgurd, but he’s all sorts of fun when he gets there. Couldn’t tell you if he’s got any interesting romantic prospects, endorsed by the pairing system or otherwise, because he’s still pretty dull in that department.

C Tier – bland, and usually bad as units

Marth – truly the Mario of FE, in that he’s everywhere with a different personality almost every time. His two remakes did surprisingly little to flesh him out in any consistent way, and by that point over half a dozen other protagonists had diverged from his archetypical lord model in almost as many different ways.

Roy – red-haired Marth with a harem and an obscenely late promotion instead of no promotion at all *yawns* I guess he gets points for having a living parent? Not sure why anyone is a particular fan of him unless they mained him in Melee. Maybe a remake will help him out?

Chrom – Marth with biceps and a time-traveling daughter who coincidentally cosplays as Marth. That’s marginally less yawn-worthy if only because of how strange it all is, and he also borrows from the Hector-type lord as well so he ends up as an unexpected fusion of the buff and the bishonen. Overshadowed in story and in gameplay by his daughter and some random amnesiac he found in a field who he may or may not decide to sleep with.

Eirika – only slightly a Marth clone, but as with Celica the story is unevenly stacked against her and in favor of her male counterpart, even on her own route. The fandom doesn’t like her because she’s naïve, but that could also be said of several other lords. Not really into her as a unit or any of her ships, so…yeah.

Kris – …do they even count as a lord? Eh, whatever.

D Tier – OP unit, terrible character

Robin – would have been so much more tolerable if endgame didn’t abruptly swerve to becoming entirely about them, at the expense of Chrom and Lucina and everyone else. Somehow the special secret origin type of Avatar grates more than one whose importance to everyone and everything in the story is laid out right at the beginning. I can more or less buy everyone in Fates obsessing over Corrin because of who they are and what they represent for the various players, but not so much Robin whom everyone rallies around apparently for the sole reason that they’re a really friendly tactical genius. Compound that with the fact that they’re meant to be a self-insert in a game with enormous levels of explicit homoerotic denial and it should be easy to see why they’re at the bottom of this list.

9, 27, and bonus: have you made a post ranking the lords yet, and if you haven’t is it something you will someday do?

9. Most disliked character(s)? Why?

For FE, Priam. Good God, even if he is just a reference to similar joke characters from FE3 and FE5, his existence reigniting the controversy over Ike’s sexuality made me loathe him. He’s not even that funny compared to Shannam.

27. 

Least shippable character?

Excluding stuff like kids in every fandom (not really into aging up characters, though I don’t think it’s heinous and amoral or anything), I have to go with pretty much every one of Tolkien’s characters. I have no idea what sort of next level Anglo-ness the man was writing on, but despite the huge following of various LoTR and Hobbit M/M pairings I just…can’t get into any of them when the source material is so devoid of any sexual feeling. To contrast him with another Anglo author with famously sex-deprived writing, I feel the same way about shipping Jane Austen characters…but she at least can write engaging romances, and in her settings it’s completely understandable that everyone would be an absolute prude.

I have not, though it’s something I could manage without much trouble. I don’t think I could neatly order them into a list, but I can approximate the levels at which I like engaging with each of them.